Re: [Wg-apnic-fees] Fee proposal version 2.3

[MAEMURA Akinori <maem@maem.org>]

Dear Philip,

Only for NIR fees, within your message in December.  I know
this is a very late response but I'd like to have your 
thought on my idea.


| NIRs & Their Fees
| -----------------
| 
| I find it odd that the NIRs pay any fees to APNIC at all (over and above
| a standard affiliation fee, that is). I always thought that the NIRs
| provide a *value added service* to the Local Internet Registries they
| serve (national language, national policy meetings, etc) - that's
| certainly the marketing that all the NIRs actively engage in.
| 
The word "marketing" is really impressing.

I don't really understand why you don't see NIRs pay any fee.
In the graph of pp7, it says NIRs will pay almost double.


| I'd like to suggest that, moving forwards, all members of NIRs pay the
| same fees as direct LIRs of APNIC. NIRs can then also charge their
| members for the value add services the NIRs provide. The NIRs then have
| to pay *nothing* to APNIC. The advantage of this is that the NIRs can
| manage their budgets very easily - they don't have address size
| dependent fees to pay to APNIC at random junctures throughout the year.
| 
| I've no idea how many members each NIR has, so I'm not in any position
| to rework the numbers in your document. But I'd be really interested to
| see what the numbers would look like. I believe this would be a major
| solution to the endless debate back and forth between NIRs and APNIC's
| LIR members.
| 
It is really a revolutionary idea.  

In case of JPNIC, IP Department (NIR section) holds, say, 
USD2M annual budget, paying USD200K to APNIC now including 
par address fee.  

I understand you can see NIR as a value added service, but 
I have a totally different idea.  From the propotion of 
JPNIC's budget, we don't think ourselves doing just a VAS 
(in other words we don't think we are mere value added
resalers), but doing a registry business almost the same as 
APNIC does, whose main portion of cost is for human resources 
of hostmasters and RMS operations.

Currently LIRs who are the member of an NIR receive the 
service of IP address distribution based on the contract 
not with APNIC but with an NIR.  it is not so simple for
LIRs under an NIR to pay something directly to APNIC.


What is your thought for this idea of mine?

I have been considering about NIR fee but realizing that
is really a difficult problem again and again...

Regards,
Akinori