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RE: [Wg-apnic-fees] APNIC membership fee structure proposal
Dear Paul and APNIC members,
Thank you for information.
I understand APNIC has a yearly budget.
However, I don't know how an revenue increase of 10-15% will be used.
I cannot explain New fee structure (include unknown New Activity) to our company,
#Do you explain to our president, Masayoshi Son? :-P
BTW,
If I only don't know it, please tell me.
Do other RIR have such a discussion?
I believe other RIR have attended WSIS, too.
What is different from other RIR?
I collected RIR's annual membership fee.
(I cannot find RIPE/NCC tier/Size table)
Current APNIC fee is similar other RIR until /10.
But proposal fee structure is greatly quite different from those.
If this proposal is approved, the IP fee rises terribly in the AP region.
What is the reason why the charge jumps up in the so much?
What is the reason why only APNIC and other RIR are different?
##########In case of /19 of IPv4##########
annual membership fee
ARIN $2,250
Afrinic $2,000
LACNIC $2,000
APNIC $2,500 (average +312)
#Ave $2,188
proposaled fee structure $2,880(Current+380)
##########In case of /16 of IPv4##########
annual membership fee
ARIN $4,500
Afrinic $3,000
LACNIC $5,000
APNIC $5,000 (average +625)
#Ave $4,375
proposaled fee structure $5,760(Current+760)
##########In case of /13 of IPv4##########
annual membership fee
ARIN $18,000
Afrinic $20,000
LACNIC $22,000
APNIC $10,000 (average -7,500)
#Ave $17,500
proposaled fee structure $23,040(Current+13,040)
##########In case of /10 of IPv4##########
annual membership fee
ARIN $18,000
Afrinic $20,000
LACNIC $33,000
APNIC $20,000 (average -2,750)
#Ave $22,750
proposaled fee structure $46,080(Current+26,080)
##########In case of /7 of IPv4##########
annual membership fee
ARIN $18,000
Afrinic $20,000
LACNIC $33,000
APNIC $40,000 (average +12,250)
#Ave $27,750
proposaled fee structure $92,160(Current+52,160)
Best regards,
--
akai
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pwilson@apnic.net]
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 9:05 PM
> To: 赤井 卓(ネットワーク本部); wg-apnic-fees@apnic.net
> Subject: RE: [Wg-apnic-fees] APNIC membership fee structure proposal
>
> Dear Akai san,
>
> Thanks for your messages.
>
> > I think some members cannot discuss without following informations.
> >> How much money does APNIC need to some new activities?
> >> Please tell us the budget ahead for about two or three years.
> >> After that, we can judge the validity of 10%-15% increase.
>
> APNIC budget and activity planning is an annual process
> overseen by the EC,
> so this information is not yet available. In any case the
> revision of the
> fee structure will take some time to implement (no earlier
> than 2008) and
> the benefit of any revenue increases will then not be fully
> felt for one
> year, that is, until 2009. Between now and then many factors will
> influence activities and priorities, not least the next APNIC
> member survey
> which will be launched soon.
>
> Since APNIC's membership fee structure was established, APNIC
> expenditure
> has been limited by available funds, with EC oversight of the
> budget and
> capital reserve (which must be maintained at the level of 1 year's
> operating expenses). While there has been no increase in fee
> structure
> levels during this time, and there has been no adjustment for
> inflation,
> activities have increased through economies of scale, and a range of
> efficiencies.
>
> For the past 4 years, APNIC has operated on a balanced budget
> which has
> produced little or no surplus. However with increasing
> operational costs
> this situation is beginning to limit our flexibility and
> ability to respond
> to new demands and circumstances. Among these in recent
> years has been the
> advent of WSIS and the need for greatly increased
> international liaison and
> communications activities. In future we expect substantial costs
> associated with the certification of Internet resources, and
> with process
> engineering, security and quality assurance.
>
> As Director General I am confident that we can meet
> forseeable future needs
> on the basis of the proposed adjustment in fee levels, and an
> assumption of
> ongoing growth in APNIC's membership.
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul Wilson.
>
>
> --On Wednesday, 16 August 2006 7:51 PM +0900
> makai@bb.softbank.co.jp wrote:
>
> > Dear Paul,
> >
> > I think some members cannot discuss without following informations.
> >> How much money does APNIC need to some new activities?
> >> Please tell us the budget ahead for about two or three years.
> >> After that, we can judge the validity of 10%-15% increase.
> >
> > I believe that proposal make mention of increasing revenue
> and correcting
> > fairness.
> >
> > If APNIC cannot show grounds concerning revenue growth,
> > it is necessary to change proposal that focus correcting fairness.
> >
> > If APNIC focus correcting fairness,
> > APNIC will change proposal that the annual membership fee
> decrease 10-15%
> > across the board. How do the APNIC staffs think?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > --
> > akai
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: wg-apnic-fees-bounces@apnic.net
> >> [mailto:wg-apnic-fees-bounces@apnic.net] On Behalf Of
> >> makai@bb.softbank.co.jp
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:47 PM
> >> To: wg-apnic-fees@apnic.net
> >> Subject: RE: [Wg-apnic-fees] APNIC membership fee
> structure proposal
> >>
> >> Hi Paul and Save,
> >>
> >> Thank you for sharing proposal.
> >>
> >> I understood the proposal as below...
> >>
> >> A. Motivation
> >> 1.APNIC needs more Revenue.
> >> 2.Correction of fairness.
> >> -Current fee structure is very old-
> >>
> >> B.This proposal brings
> >> 1.Increasing 10-15% revenue for APNIC.
> >> 2.Correcting fairness.
> >>
> >> > My opinion + My Questions.
> >> I will support to correcting fairness.
> >> But we do not know, how much money APNIC needs to some new
> activities.
> >> Please tell us the budget ahead for about two or three years.
> >> After that, we can judge the validity of 10%-15% increase.
> >>
> >> I have one more question.
> >> 360 dollars payment equal a voting entitlements. Is it correct ?
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> --
> >> akai
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: wg-apnic-fees-bounces@apnic.net
> >> > [mailto:wg-apnic-fees-bounces@apnic.net] On Behalf Of Save Vocea
> >> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 11:10 AM
> >> > To: wg-apnic-fees@apnic.net
> >> > Subject: [Wg-apnic-fees] APNIC membership fee structure proposal
> >> >
> >> > Dear APNIC Member,
> >> >
> >> > The attached paper introduces a proposed new membership fee
> >> > structure
> >> > for APNIC.
> >> > The proposed structure includes fees for regular APNIC
> members and
> >> > for NIR members,
> >> > and removes the existing "per address" fee for
> allocations to NIRs.
> >> >
> >> > It should be considered as a "candidate" structure, presented for
> >> > discussion rather
> >> > than a final decision at APNIC 22.
> >> >
> >> > The proposed date for implementation of a new structure is
> >> 1 January
> >> > 2008.
> >> >
> >> > Further discussions will be made during the APNIC 22
> member meeting.
> >> > Comments or clarifications sought in this list is welcomed.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > ______________________________________________________________
> >> > _________
> >> > Savenaca Vocea email:
> >> > save@apnic.net
> >> > Policy Development Manager, APNIC sip:
> >> > save@voip.apnic.net
> >> > http://www.apnic.net phone: +61 7
> >> > 3858 3100
> >> > ______________________________________________________________
> >> > _________
> >> > Welcome to APNIC 22!
> >> > Kaohsiung, Taiwan, 4-8 September 2006
> >> > http://www.apnic.net/meetings
> >> >
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
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>
> ______________________________________________________________
> __________
> Paul Wilson email:
> pwilson@apnic.net
> Director General, APNIC sip:
> apnic@voip.apnic.net
> http://www.apnic.net phone: +61
> 7 3858 3100
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> See you at APNIC 22! Kaosiung, Taiwan,
> 4-8 Sep 2006
>
> http://www.apnic.net/meetings
>
>
