Re: [Wg-apnic-fees] APNIC membership fee structure proposal

["Nitish Mahajan" <nitish@instaxs.net>]

Dear Friends,

I think that APNIC should seriously take "immediate" decision on revising 
the Fee Structure, taking into consideration that there are thousands of 
Small and very Small Organizations & ISPs, who are regularly visiting APNICs 
website to see if there is any change in the FEE Structure and keep eagerly 
waiting for the same to get revised.

Such high fee structures have always discouraged smaller organizations to 
have their own IP addresses and in India there are many people who rely on 
their "bigger" ISPs (to whom the the annual cost per IP is already very 
cheap) to provide them with the IPs..

1. FEES IS UNFAIR : The Fees seems absolutely fair and affordable for bigger 
ISPs and organizations. But an entry of $2500+ is unfair and unaffordable to 
smaller organizations and Category "C" (India) ISPs.
2. LESS APNIC MEMBERS : Due to high fees, not too many people enrol as 
Member. With high volume of membership getting enrolment, APNIC would 
definitely get higher revenues. Also higher "Cost per IP".
3. IPs GETTING WASTED : Larger Organizations would at all times acquire huge 
IP Space and their further allocation is very less. That means that the IPs 
which would not get wasted by large volume of low cost memberships, are 
being seriously wasted. For a policy making, technically & theoratically, I 
think APNIC should promote - making the members "BELIEVE in SAYING" :- "My 
IP resources are limited" rather than "I have lot of IPs".
4. I DONT WANT TO USE MY ISPs IP : Because, I want IPs under My Name; 
because I want to run my BGP for better network / internet service for my 
organization; because My ISP doesnt allow me to advertise "his IPs" my way; 
etc.etc.etc. "I want IPs but they are too expensive for me"

1st Jan 2008 would be too far for any organization who are waiting for the 
APNIC fees to get revision and the number of organizations awaiting such 
revision is I am sure much larger than the current members of APNIC.

Regards,
Nitish Mahajan
nitish@instaxs.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net>
To: <wg-apnic-fees@apnic.net>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Wg-apnic-fees] APNIC membership fee structure proposal


> Thanks Andy and others who are following this discussion.
>
> I should mention that all comments and concerns will be noted and 
> summarised during the discussion at the meeting in Taiwan.   I will not 
> reply unless there are specific questions or clarifications required.
>
> In this case I can confirm that the proposal makes no change to the 
> current "IP application fee", which was introduced to replace the "account 
> startup fee" that was previously charged to all new members at time of 
> joining. However such a change could be incorporated into a final proposal 
> before it is finally put to a vote.
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul Wilson.
>
>
> --On Friday, 11 August 2006 12:10 PM +1200 Andy Linton 
> <asjl@citylink.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > I'm comfortable with this structure.
> >
> > I'd like to reiterate my call for a review of the "IP resource
> > application fee of US$2,500" that I posted earlier. If I'm applying for a
> > /24 under the new scheme, then an fee in the first year of $2850 seems
> > like a large financial hurdle to overcome. If that $2500 fee is there as
> > a deterrent to discourage people from applying for address space then
> > let's call it that rather than mask it as a fee to cover administrative
> > costs of a first application.
> >
> > IP addresses should be allocated on the basis of documented technical
> > requirements with a charging regime that covers APNIC's costs. I've had
> > dealings with a number of organisations in NZ and elsewhere who decide
> > not to become members because of this fee. That means that APNIC loses
> > out on their recurrent annual fees and they end up acquiring IP address
> > space that isn't registered in their names and which doesn't end up in
> > the RPSL database etc.
> >
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