Hi Chris,
I understand your perception, but honestly speaking, I think is
wrong (and
just in case, I'm not employed or anything similar by APNIC or any
other
RIR).
The first point is that you should not use anymore 6Bone. It is
being pashed
out, and some carriers are already filtering this prefix.
There is not any entity which can provide ASNs and IP (v4/v6)
addresses
beside the RIRs, and I don't feel they are "commercial" entities.
The RIRs just execute the community policy and decisions, and that
means
that they can't decide to donate an ASN or IP prefix, unless the
community
agree on that. I'm sure they will be happy to tell you how to submit a
request for a policy for those cases or something similar, but you
should
convince the community, which I'm not so sure will be so easy for
your case.
I'm also sure that there is a way to get IPv6 space even if you
don't want
IPv4 one, but my advise is to run dual stack in the LANs and your
"interface" with your upstream providers, if you want to ensure
that older
apps which aren't ported still work (typically behind a NAT).
It will be much easier to calculate the cost of the IPv6 prefix and
ASN and
make it part of your fixed/recurrent costs which you should get
back with
the fixed cost that you are going to charge to the network users,
as I guess
you will do with any other infrastructure costs or recurrent fees.
An alternative may be to convince you upstream provider to get the
ASN and
prefix for you, with the issue that if you have more than one, you
will not
have a provider independent space.
Besides those considerations, I will be very happy to support your
initiative if any technical skills are needed.
Regards,
Jordi
De: Christopher Martin <outsidefactor@iinet.net.au>
Responder a: <ipv6-bounces@ietf.org>
Fecha: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:03:49 +1100
Para: <ipv6@ietf.org>
Asunto: IPv6 Research/Not-for-profit Addressing
I am heading up a project to construct a community wireless
network covering
all areas of Australia that wish to participate, and we have
reached the
conclusion that any effort spent creating a universally routable
network
based on IPv4 is a doomed strategy.
The project is being supported by the Australian Wireless Association
(www.australianwireless.org), a not-for-profit member based
organisation. At
this stage we have arranged agreements with two Australian ISPs to
allow us
to interconnect with their IPv6 networks, one of which is 6bone
connected.
We are very happy with this situation, and have secured the access
without
any costs. We have also secured hardware to run as a border router
to be
co-located in the ISP's facilities.
The next step is for us to acquire address space and an AS number
so we can
use the interconnection, however this is where we have hit issues.
Our local
IP addressing registrar, APNIC, is a purely commercial
organisation and has
no interest in assisting us, refusing to even let us plead our
case. Our
membership fees can cover the AU$1000 they charge for an AS
number, but the
AU$5000 per year membership fee required to get any sort of
addressing is
more than we can afford. The pricing structure of APNIC assumes
you want
IPv4 addressing, which we do not, and they have no options for
IPv6 only.
Given the vast unplumbed depths of IPv6 available this seems a little
unfair.
Is there address space made available for research purposes, or is
there
space set aside for not-for-profit use? Is there a registrar set
up for
research networks? We feel that we have something to offer the IPv6
community, by both providing users a broadband path directly to
6bone,
rather than through long distance tunnels, and as we plan to
implement many
links as purely IPv6 it provides a potential demonstration of the
next
generation of networks. It also will reveal any issues with IPv6 over
wireless.
The network will provide a fixed cost connectivity option for
people who may
not be able to afford the costs of regular broadband internet
access. It
also has a strong following amongst the enthusiast community, and
provides a
genuine opportunity to test IPv6 in the wild in a large network with
potentially thousands of users. It will be a best effort system; with
efforts made to build a meshed structure to provide redundancy as
we expect
the wireless links to fail regularly (wireless is an inherently
less stable
technology when compared to traditional wired networks).
I hope someone in the IPv6 community has a suggestion or can help us.
Chris Martin
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