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RE: [GLOBAL-V6]IPv6 Policy Proposal for LACNIC Region
Hi Kosuke,
IMHO the problem with requiring a number of customers in a given period of
time is that this condition depends on the adoption of IPv6 by the community
and this goes beyond what it is in the scope of the requesting LIR.
In other words, the requesting LIR may try to provide IPv6 services but if
IPv6 is not adopted by the rest of the internet there is nothing the LIR can
do about it.
So IMHO the requirements imposed to the lir should be within their scope of
action, that is what the proposal attempts.
So a LIR that provides IPv6 services to its customers located in the region
is actually tring to deploy IPv6 and he is doing what he can to deploy IPv6.
If at the end the lir actually obtain customers or not, welll that depends
on too many other elements, so we rather not to inlcude it as a requirement.
Would this clarify the motivations for the proposed requirements?
Regards, marcelo
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: global-v6-admin@lists.apnic.net
> [mailto:global-v6-admin@lists.apnic.net]En nombre de Kosuke Ito
> Enviado el: miercoles, 21 de enero de 2004 13:39
> Para: mbagnulo@ing.uc3m.es
> CC: Takashi Arano; Anne Lord; Izumi Okutani; german@lacnic.net;
> global-v6@lists.apnic.net
> Asunto: Re: [GLOBAL-V6]IPv6 Policy Proposal for LACNIC Region
>
>
> Marcelo
>
> will you please tell me why the particular condition
> should be deleted instead of changing the number from 200
> to, say, 100 or 50?
> Or is there any conclusion in your discussion that the number
> other than Zero is meaning nothing?
>
> Kosuke
>
>
> marcelo bagnulo wrote:
> >>In this case, LACNIC will remove "200 for 2 years" rule with
> >>the reason IPv6 deployment in that region may be a bit slower
> >>than that in
> >>others.
> >
> >
> > As far as i understand, this is the motivation for the proposed change.
> >
> >
> >>If this is the difference and the reason, I would generally support
> >>this idea except one thing.
> >>
> >>If the reason is so, probably, I would like to suggest to set a time
> >>limit, say 2 years, for the new LACNIC policy and review it two
> >>years later,
> >>i.e. check IPv6 deployment status in LACNIC (and other regions)
> >>at that time
> >>and try to conform to the global-coordinated policy of that time
> >>unless the
> >>reason is still valid.
> >
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> > thanks for your suggestion.
> >
> > marcelo
> >
> >
> >>Regards,
> >>Takashi Arano
> >>
> >>P.S.
> >>My very PERSONAL feeling is a bit pity to allow a new non-equivalent
> >>policy to be in effect in some region, though....
> >>
> >>
> >>At 14:04 04/01/20, Anne Lord wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi Izumi, Kosuke,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Could I confirm once again that this was the concious
> >>>>decision(acknowledgement) made by all RIRs, having considered its
> >>>>implications?
> >>>
> >>>I think German has replied to this question and I think the reply
> >>
> >>>from the APNIC Secretariat will be similar.
> >>
> >>>This was *not* part of a concious decision or acknowledgement made
> >>>by all the RIRs. The decision flowed from the LACNIC community
> >>>proposing and accepting the proposal as meeting a 'need' in their
> >>>region.
> >>>
> >>>It is useful to observe that this policy is globally co-ordinated
> >>>rather than a global policy: there were never any agreements by
> >>>any RIR staff that there would be a single global policy. Actually
> >>>APNIC EC has taken a decision to interpret one aspect of the policy
> >>>in a way that differs from the other regions. See:
> >>>
> >>>http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/ipv6-policy-clarification.html
> >>>
> >>>I also see this and the LACNIC change as part of the normal globally
> >>>co-ordinated policy development processes. My understanding is that
> >>>the reason that LACNIC announced their consensus on the
> global-v6 policy
> >>>discussion list, was in order to collect feedback from the other
> >>>regions, and if necessary to re-asses the consensus decision.
> >>>In other words, this was an attempt to look at the global context
> >>>and to co-ordinate.
> >>>
> >>>Also please feel welcome to bring the proposed change, and this
> >>>discussion to the agenda of the Policy SIG at the forthcoming
> >>>APNIC Open Policy Meeting.
> >>>
> >>>Best wishes,
> >>>
> >>>Anne
> >>>--
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: Kosuke Ito <kosuke@bugest.net>
> >>>>Subject: Re: [GLOBAL-V6]IPv6 Policy Proposal for LACNIC Region
> >>>>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:08:36 +0900
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi, German and all
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I do understand that LACNIC community like to have their
> >>>>>own "bootstrap" condition for deploying IPv6 in LACNIC
> >>>>>region, but I do NOT like to have it with an open jaw
> >>>>>condition, anyway.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>And, I would like to know other RIRs people's view on
> >>>>>this matter, and how LACNIC consider the possible side
> >>>>>effect to the global community once the LACNIC special
> >>>>>condition is implemented.
> >>>>>I believe that RIRs/NIRs community should have a single
> >>>>>view (even though each region has a different need) on
> >>>>>the global coordinated policy like the IPv6 policy which
> >>>>>was built up on the large amount of efforts balancing many
> >>>>>factors from the global point of view, since the IP address
> >>>>>space is a global resourse shared accross the globe.
> >>>>>And RIRs/NIRs, I personally believe, should set a allowance
> >>>>>of changing the global policy to accomodate a local need.
> >>>>>When it needs to change (locally), possible effects after
> >>>>>the change should be discussed from the global resourse
> >>>>>management point of view at the same time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I would not like to see avalanche multiplication on relaxing
> >>>>>the allocation conditions initiating from LACNIC to all other
> >>>>>regions... This is my worry.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Kosuke
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jeff Williams wrote:
> >>>>> > German and all,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I wonder when if ever LACNIC will be seeking advisory
> >>>>
> >>input from
> >>
> >>>>> > the stakeholders/users in their region? I also wonder if LACNIC
> >>>>> > does seek such input, that the desires and requirements of those
> >>>>> > participating stakeholders/users will be adheared to in
> >>>>
> >>a responsible
> >>
> >>>>> > and direct way?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > German Valdez wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >>Hi Izumi
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>sorry for delay
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>It is intention of the RIR to work in common policies,
> >>>>
> >>like the IPv6
> >>
> >>>>>one,
> >>>>> >>when this is possible.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>Nevertheless, this IPv6 policy proposal is the result
> >>>>
> >>of a regional
> >>
> >>>>>need.
> >>>>> >>So far has accomplished all the step of our Policy
> >>>>
> >>Development Process.
> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>Even though common policies may work well they are not
> >>>>
> >>bindig for the
> >>
> >>>>>RIR.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>We are aware that this proposal is broken a common
> >>>>
> >>policy. For this
> >>
> >>>>>reason
> >>>>> >>we are sharing this criteria with the Global IPv6 community.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>This 45 days period of comment (which ends at january
> >>>>
> >>23rd) is not
> >>
> >>>>>part of
> >>>>> >>the policy development process, however is a faculty of LACNIC's
> >>>>>Board to
> >>>>> >>do this. The reason was to recieve more comments from the global
> >>>>>community
> >>>>> >>before the Board made a decision.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>Regards
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>German Valdez
> >>>>> >>Policy Liaison
> >>>>> >>LACNIC
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>At 12:07 AM 1/7/2004, Izumi Okutani wrote:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>>It had been my understanding that IPv6 policy would be
> >>>>
> >>co-ordinated
> >>
> >>>>> >>>among the RIRs, but this seems to imply a regional
> >>>>
> >>policy like IPv4.
> >>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>That's also one method of the policy process that's
> >>>>
> >>proved to work
> >>
> >>>>> >>>well, but it should at least be a concious decision by
> >>>>
> >>the RIRs(or its
> >>
> >>>>> >>>communities).
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>Could someone from the RIRs share the position about this?
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>Izumi
> >>>>> >>>JPNIC
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>From: German Valdez <german@lacnic.net>
> >>>>> >>>Subject: [GLOBAL-V6]IPv6 Policy Proposal for LACNIC Region
> >>>>> >>>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:16:29 -0300
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>>FYI LACNIC is calling for last comments for new
> >>>>
> >>policies to be
> >>
> >>>applied
> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>next
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>>year. One of this policies is a new criteria for IPv6 Initial
> >>>>>allocation.
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>>This proposal is the result of the analysis of the
> >>>>
> >>LACNIC IPv6 WG
> >>
> >>>>>and the
> >>>>> >>>>discussion held during our Open Policy Forum in The
> >>>>
> >>Havana, Cuba
> >>
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>>You can review this proposal at
> >>>>
> >>http://lacnic.net/en/last-call.html
> >>
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>>On december 9th we started a 45 days period for
> >>>>
> >>comments for these
> >>
> >>>>> >>>>policies, including the IPv6 one. Comments will be received
> >>>>>through our
> >>>>> >>>>policy public list politicas@lacnic.net, subscription
> >>>>
> >>to this list
> >>
> >>>>>is open
> >>>>> >>>>at http://lacnic.net/en/lists.html. Any comments are welcomed.
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>>Regards
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>>German Valdez
> >>>>> >>>>Policy Liaison
> >>>>> >>>>LACNIC
> >>>>> >>>>
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> >>>>>IPv6 Promotion Council of Japan
> >>>>>(Visiting Researcher, SFC Lab. KEIO University)
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