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Re: [GLOBAL-V6]IPv6 Policy Proposal for LACNIC Region
Izumi and all,
Izumi Okutani wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I share Kosuke's concern about the policies leaning towards that of
> the most relaxed region once you have a regional policy. This may not
> be the case once we implement it, I don't know, but if we should at
> least expect it as one of the possible consequences of having regional
> policies.
>
> One more thing is that the regional differences may be small at the
> begining, but it can grow as the time goes by.
This is almost certainly true of course, and has been discussed
on another thread on the Ripe list, which I CC'ed to but it seems
that Brian Carpenter is adverse in information sharing on similar
issues on different EM Forums.
>
>
> It could be argued that it's fine to have regional policies in IPv6,
> just like we do in IPv4. If that's the case, that's fine. I have
> nothing against regional policies, either v4 or v6.
Bad idea here Izumi. Regional policies are how the long ago
mess with shortage of v4 addresses was created. Let's not
repeat that same error in policy determination...
>
>
> I simply want to avoid intending the LACNIC policy to be a part of the
> framework of the co-ordinated policy but end up having regional
> policies as a result.
Agreed, and why regional policies are a bad idea and not adequately
equitable on a global view.
>
>
> Could I confirm once again that this was the concious
> decision(acknowledgement) made by all RIRs, having considered its
> implications?
>
> Izumi
> JPNIC
>
> From: Kosuke Ito <kosuke@bugest.net>
> Subject: Re: [GLOBAL-V6]IPv6 Policy Proposal for LACNIC Region
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:08:36 +0900
>
> >
> > Hi, German and all
> >
> > I do understand that LACNIC community like to have their
> > own "bootstrap" condition for deploying IPv6 in LACNIC
> > region, but I do NOT like to have it with an open jaw
> > condition, anyway.
> >
> > And, I would like to know other RIRs people's view on
> > this matter, and how LACNIC consider the possible side
> > effect to the global community once the LACNIC special
> > condition is implemented.
> > I believe that RIRs/NIRs community should have a single
> > view (even though each region has a different need) on
> > the global coordinated policy like the IPv6 policy which
> > was built up on the large amount of efforts balancing many
> > factors from the global point of view, since the IP address
> > space is a global resourse shared accross the globe.
> > And RIRs/NIRs, I personally believe, should set a allowance
> > of changing the global policy to accomodate a local need.
> > When it needs to change (locally), possible effects after
> > the change should be discussed from the global resourse
> > management point of view at the same time.
> >
> > I would not like to see avalanche multiplication on relaxing
> > the allocation conditions initiating from LACNIC to all other
> > regions... This is my worry.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kosuke
> >
> >
> > Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > German and all,
> > >
> > > I wonder when if ever LACNIC will be seeking advisory input from
> > > the stakeholders/users in their region? I also wonder if LACNIC
> > > does seek such input, that the desires and requirements of those
> > > participating stakeholders/users will be adheared to in a responsible
> > > and direct way?
> > >
> > > German Valdez wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Hi Izumi
> > >>
> > >>sorry for delay
> > >>
> > >>It is intention of the RIR to work in common policies, like the IPv6
> > one,
> > >>when this is possible.
> > >>
> > >>Nevertheless, this IPv6 policy proposal is the result of a regional
> > need.
> > >>So far has accomplished all the step of our Policy Development Process.
> > >>
> > >>Even though common policies may work well they are not bindig for the
> > RIR.
> > >>
> > >>We are aware that this proposal is broken a common policy. For this
> > reason
> > >>we are sharing this criteria with the Global IPv6 community.
> > >>
> > >>This 45 days period of comment (which ends at january 23rd) is not
> > part of
> > >>the policy development process, however is a faculty of LACNIC's
> > Board to
> > >>do this. The reason was to recieve more comments from the global
> > community
> > >>before the Board made a decision.
> > >>
> > >>Regards
> > >>
> > >>German Valdez
> > >>Policy Liaison
> > >>LACNIC
> > >>
> > >>At 12:07 AM 1/7/2004, Izumi Okutani wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>It had been my understanding that IPv6 policy would be co-ordinated
> > >>>among the RIRs, but this seems to imply a regional policy like IPv4.
> > >>>
> > >>>That's also one method of the policy process that's proved to work
> > >>>well, but it should at least be a concious decision by the RIRs(or its
> > >>>communities).
> > >>>
> > >>>Could someone from the RIRs share the position about this?
> > >>>
> > >>>Izumi
> > >>>JPNIC
> > >>>
> > >>>From: German Valdez <german@lacnic.net>
> > >>>Subject: [GLOBAL-V6]IPv6 Policy Proposal for LACNIC Region
> > >>>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:16:29 -0300
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>FYI LACNIC is calling for last comments for new policies to be applied
> > >>>
> > >>>next
> > >>>
> > >>>>year. One of this policies is a new criteria for IPv6 Initial
> > allocation.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>This proposal is the result of the analysis of the LACNIC IPv6 WG
> > and the
> > >>>>discussion held during our Open Policy Forum in The Havana, Cuba
> > >>>>
> > >>>>You can review this proposal at http://lacnic.net/en/last-call.html
> > >>>>
> > >>>>On december 9th we started a 45 days period for comments for these
> > >>>>policies, including the IPv6 one. Comments will be received
> > through our
> > >>>>policy public list politicas@lacnic.net, subscription to this list
> > is open
> > >>>>at http://lacnic.net/en/lists.html. Any comments are welcomed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Regards
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>German Valdez
> > >>>>Policy Liaison
> > >>>>LACNIC
> > >>>>
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> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
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> > >
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> > > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
Pierre Abelard
"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
