Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Comments on AP Consensus

[Dave Wilson <dave.wilson@heanet.ie>]

> Good question -> point this to the IETF people (I could imagine a few
> variants, which I don't like too much, so I assume that they can come
> up with something better).

Understood.

> It might make sense for "your upstream" or "your regional ISPs" to
> accept those /48s.  I, for example, would want to do that for my
> customers. It does NOT [...snip]

Understood. This breaks when you receive full transit from more than one 
ISP though, and the renumbering of such a network when you change 
upstream is emphatically not trivial. (never mind that renumbering 
150,000 users on several complex networks cannot be done with a flick of 
a switch :) ).

> Discussion about a new policy (as the old bootstrap phase is over) has
> been ongoing since at least half a year, and it is turning in circles,
> with the same arguments being rehashed by various people again and 
> again (well - including me, of course).  After the last round in
> January/February, people actually made a proposal that got consensus 
> from the ARIN people, so that would be a good starting point for a new
> *interim* policy - to be re-discussed later, of course.  
> 
> !!! This isn't going to be the final policy !!!

Understood. At the moment there is a two year period specified during 
which one has to fulfil the current policy or possibly lose your 
allocation. Should we remove this for now?

> I believe that HD-ratio is a good measurement to figure out whether
> an allocation is "full", and a LIR needs "more space".
> 
> For "is this LIR worthy to get an allocation", I don't see it as useful
> - I said this before: as the kind of customers that a LIR has is so
> vastly different, but the IETF rule says "a /48 to each of them", 
> I see any criteria based on absolute numbers as pretty useless.
> 
> Examples are "AOL" (horrendous amounts of /48s to single-user 
> end-sites - bad usage inside the /48, but lots of /48s used) and a 
> national research network in a small country, that serves only 
> "a hand ful" of universities (few /48s, but good usage inside of
> those /48).
> 
> Not solveable by math.

Agree :-)

> ... but maybe the 200-customer-figure will work.   Wilfried should say
> something to this, from the view point of a research network...

Am curious to know myself. FWIW, I asked some questions before I posted 
and found that some NRENs would probably qualify, some would probably 
not, and some would get in by means of assigning /48s to lots of sites 
like schools connected through ISDN.

Dave

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