[GLOBAL-V6] Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Re: Válasz: Re: Válasz: [ GLOBAL-V6] RE: How to reduce the junk applications?

[Janos Mohacsi <Janos.Mohacsi@dante.org.uk>]

At 10:03 AM 2/12/02 +0100, Gert Doering wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On Mon, Feb 11, 2002 at 12:05:07PM +0100, turchanyi.geza@ln.matav.hu wrote:
> > 1, We applied restrictions on IPv4 LIRs. This is "the slow start 
> mechanism".
> >
> > Restrictions are not for themself. The goal of hardening the life of a 
> new LIR
> > was just to filter off a half million students, that might want to 
> create a LIR,
> > just to decorate their  business card.
>
>Actually, this is not correct.
>
>Anybody can still become LIR in RIPE land.
>
>They just will not get a /20 IPv4 block, unless they prove their need for
>it - and *this* was done to help conservation, and avoid /20 wastage on
>people that do not really need that much space.
>
>(The risk of "half a million students" becoming a LIR is pretty much zero,
>as the startup fees are too high for your average student).
>
>[..]
> > 2, You might heard about big research initiatives for the introduction 
> of IPv6
> > service. A good example is 6net.
> >
> > 6NET will have initially its own infrastructure, and there is a good reason
> > behind: it would be too risky to use a production network.
>
>According to current policies, 6NET will not be able to get an IPv6
>allocation.  Doesn't sound useful to me.

Hi,
         6NET is a research IPv6 deployment initiative. One of the goals 
are to test IPv6 features in a semi-production environment. I would not say 
that IPv6 is risky in production network. Japanese guys manage to do it 
successfully. The ideas of having a separate infrastructure is: the 6NET 
project participant wants to experiment with the network management 
procedures and certain features of routing  protocol in semi-production 
environment. If something goes wrong nothing really serious happen, 
roll-back to a working configuration and restart with alternative ideas. 
GÉANT will be the  European production IPv6 research network.
         According to current policies DANTE obtained IPv6 subTLA for 6NET, 
GÉANT and other usage. It is not impossible. We are working  hard in order 
to 6NET be 'semi'-operational by the end of April.

To reducing the junk applications: RIR/LIR should check the real IPv6 
address usage. According to the current policy in a year time the applicant 
has to start the real deployment of IPv6 in their registry and network. 
LIR/RIR might check the model of IPv6 deployment plan of applicant. If 
somebody wants to use IPv6 and provide IPv6 services, they has to have a 
serious plan in a year time. So I would opt for requirements for more 
detailed planning of IPv6 usage, and yearly checking of IPv6 usage. This 
might increase the workload of RIRs/LIRs, but might help decrease of junk 
applications at least they can get rid of it. RIR/LIR might claim back the 
address space if no real deployment happened. The applicant can apply 
again, if the market, themselves etc. are mature enough to IPv6 deployment. 
"IPv6 Addresses not to be Considered Property" . However claiming back IPv6 
addresses might be Draconian rule, but can be useful.

Best Regards,
                 Janos Mohacsi




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