Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Detailed summary of RIPE and APNIC discussions

[Gert Doering <gert@space.net>]

Hi,

On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 10:56:48AM -0500, Jim Fleming wrote:
> > There is no IPv8.  And there can not be a correlation of IP address ranges
> > and top level domains.  Even less than there can be a correlation of IP
> > addresses and country borders.
> 
> Windows XP supports IPv6, with "IPv8 Addressing", that avoids the IPv6
> Privacy Problem.
> http://www.dot-arizona.com/IPv8/IPv4/

There is no IPv8.  What you call IPv8 is 6to4 automatic tunneling, and yes,
it works.

As long as you have an IPv4 address.

And that IPv4 address makes you trackable - so there's as much "privacy" 
problem as with IPv6 if you're not using stateless autoconfiguration (which 
is by no means mandatory).  Look up the relevant drafts about dynamically
changing IPv6 client IPs, targeted at exactly those that do not want a
globally unique host ID.

> IPv8 Address Blocks are Freely delegated to 2,048 Communities for
> Management, not routing. 

Who cares about these "Freely delegated" "Address blocks" (they are
neither)?  Unless you have an IPv4 address, and somebody routing it 
for you, you have nothing.  If you have an IPv4 address, this defines
the network that you're in, and you rely on a working IPv4 
infrastructure.

All that in-addr.whatever stuff is just hot air...

[..]
> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
> The IN-ADDR.<TLD> zone is used to manage the address space.

No.  The bits you're talking about are not "address space".  Everybody
is free, when using 6to4, to use the last 64 bits as they want, with
no need for anybody to "manage" that.

> IN-ADDR.ARPA is one small zone of the 2,048 delegations. Enjoy
> your small piece of cyberspace. Windows XP will the world to now
> go to thousands of other places for FREE address space.

You have nothing, unless you're willing to play by the established IPv4
allocation rules to get an IPv4 address that's routed to you (and 
fixed, otherwise you can't offer services).

*We* are in the process of removing those rules, and building a Real World
IPv6 network.

Gert Doering
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