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Re: [GLOBAL-V6] Detailed summary of RIPE and APNIC discussions
Hi,
while I think that you're not really interested in answers, let me try
anyway.
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:18:22AM -0500, Jim Fleming wrote:
> Why are the three registry operations, ARIN, RIPE and APNIC
> based on manual operations ?
Because humans are much better at judging requests for fairness than
are machines (and it's easier to cheat machines). Because humans do a
far better job at training other humans that are new to that whole
business, and are prone to make many errors.
> Why haven't address allocation opertions become a 100% automated
> web/database operation ?
Most of it IS 100% automated (in the RIPE region) - the LIR gets their
assignment window, and everything they assign up to that size, they
can do fully automated without bothering a human at the RIPE NCC.
Increase of AW and new allocations have to take "conservation" into
account, which means that a human has to check whether all necessary
things are fully understood. Otherwise, address wastage is highly
likely (which is a problem for v4, which might not be a problem for v6).
> Would that not allow blocks to be more efficiently managed ?
> Users might be encouraged to return space if it was easy to click
> on their allocation, enter authentication information, and return the
> block to the pool.
Users do not talk to the RIRs anyway. LIRs do. What LIRs do with their
*Users* has nothing to do with RIPE, ARIN, or APNIC.
> Why are so many staff members required at ICANN, ARIN, RIPE, and APNIC ?
Because there are so many registries that get service from these
entities.
> Will this lack of automation continue with IPv6 ?
IPv6 should be able to reduce the amount of overall work at the RIRs (due
to the fact that the LIRs will have to come back less often), but it will
also never reduce it to 0. Judgements still have to be made, customers
still have to be trained, and questions still have to be answered.
> It all boils down to fairness.
> Which list do you think is more fair ?
>
> The "toy" IPv4 Internet Early Experimentation Allocations ?
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
> The Proof-of-Concept IPv8 Allocations ?
> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
Neither of that is of any relevance.
The "Early Allocations" are exactly this: a way to get experience (and
they will likely be reclaimed if need areises).
There is no IPv8. And there can not be a correlation of IP address ranges
and top level domains. Even less than there can be a correlation of IP
addresses and country borders.
> Why would people pay for Address Space, when it is FREE ?
People do not pay for Address Space (and I *did* already mail this to
you about a week ago). People pay for a service, which includes a
fair and equal distribution of a scarce resource: IP address blocks.
Gert Doering
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